I have recently been told by a mod that I cannot claim land, stake out plots, and sell them near main west spawn.

Why not?

The one sign JUST outside of west exit says "Build far from here to prevent being griefed." The Sign RIGHT next to it says - "Build 30 blocks away from this path."

So where is the logic?

My plots that I have built are WELL beyond 30 blocks from that parh. In fact. The path STOPS right in front of the orc statue.

I am just selling the land I have claimed for myself as per the sign of "build 30 blocks away from this path"

The mod mentioned that I have to provide protection. lolwut? I'm taking advantage of the no-pvp zone. lolwut? How is it my fault that the houses I am allowed to build according to the "build 30 blocks away from this path." are included in the no-pvp zone? IF the no-pvp area is such a big deal - make the zone smaller.

So by being smart landowner and picking up valuable land I cannot make any money.

Interesting.

In real life - is a land owner responsible for what happens to future construction or to the land itself if he sells it to someone else? NO.

I have built according to the rules. I have done nothing wrong.

Orcworm wrote:Lol, it's a nice idea but he's offering them absolutely no protection with their 'plot', it would still be up to us to manage any grief.

Maybe if it was a 1000 or so blocks out like the other towns that've cropped up, but not 20.

From Orc in the other forum.

My premise on this. I build a 1000x1000 ring of cobble. Do I "own" the area within it and can therefore sell it?
If you had built something then sold it, I would have no problem with it.

My issue is that you are taking advantage of the no PVP zone around spawn and you are also within 30 blocks of the orc statue, with is part of spawn. (Again, the above applies, if you had built something then sold it, no issue. its a cobble ring that you are selling ...)

-A

Then build in another area I guess. That area is like candy for griefers anyway

If you want to act as landlord then I'm sure you'd have no problem with repairing any damage that may appear at or in your plots of land.

Albuca wrote:My premise on this. I build a 1000x1000 ring of cobble. Do I "own" the area within it and can therefore sell it?
If you had built something then sold it, I would have no problem with it.

HEY. i get cred'z for that, i provided this example for you to use in chat >.>

Monstaboi wrote:

Albuca wrote:My premise on this. I build a 1000x1000 ring of cobble. Do I "own" the area within it and can therefore sell it?
If you had built something then sold it, I would have no problem with it.

HEY. i get cred'z for that, i provided this example for you to use in chat >.>

^^ I forgot who said that, so I used it. Thanks Monsta =D lol

You have not read ANYTHING I have written.

A. Your building 30 blocks away from orc.
- Sign says "Build 30 blocks away from path." The orc statue IS NOT A PATH. Hence I can build.

B. Offering no protection.
- I don't have to.IRL - homeowners that purchase land are responsible for the land they purchase. The homeowners that sold the land are not responsible for what happens after the agreement has been completed.

C. Abusing No-PVP zone.
- How am I abusing it. Explain that. For all I know Orc coulda set up no-pvp zones all over the damn map - We not allowed to build and sell in that zone? No? Whats the damn point of having a no-pvp zone.

D. To end it all off. If he built something then sold it - I have no problem with it.
- YES. I BUILT A SAND/COBBLE RING. I'm selling it. There is no problem then. Who am I to argue if someone wants to buy a ring and build on it.

welcome mate :3

Orcworm wrote:If you want to act as landlord then I'm sure you'd have no problem with repairing any damage that may appear at or in your plots of land.

landlord is the term if you are renting.

landowner is the term if you have land with the right to sell it.

landlord =/= landowner

landlord = renting

landowner = right to sell

And besides. Griefing is not up to me to fix.

and again - you haven't read a single word I've written.
Landowners that sell their land have NO RESPONSIBILITY to what happens after the agreement has been signed by both parties.

Okay, I'm not going to argue with you, not at 5AM anyway. I don't run a server to discuss semantics, nor to stop players worming their way through the guidelines we set. I've said all I want to say in the above post.

The land is not zoned to anyone, thus if you want to take ownership of it and sell areas of it it's up to you to manage it.

so what if i just went to the border of the map and made a cobble ring around the map?(inb4 how much shit that would take)i could then charge everyone to build anything? obious sarcasm here by the way

Reminds me of the pvp_base zone shitstorm.

Monstaboi wrote:so what if i just went to the border of the map and made a cobble ring around the map?(inb4 how much shit that would take)i could then charge everyone to build anything? obious sarcasm here by the way

No - since you built it around someone else's stuff - you would infact be griefing them. I have built around other people - but have provided well more then enough adequate passage to get by.

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Orcworm wrote:The land is not zoned to anyone, thus if you want to take ownership of it and sell areas of it it's up to you to manage it.

I do not have to manage that which I do not rent. I am selling. No strings attached.

Do not double post, read the forum rules.

Look, Orc owns the server.
Orc makes the rules.
When he tells you a rule, you can't just say the opposite.

FrogX wrote:

Monstaboi wrote:so what if i just went to the border of the map and made a cobble ring around the map?(inb4 how much shit that would take)i could then charge everyone to build anything? obious sarcasm here by the way

No - since you built it around someone else's stuff - you would infact be griefing them. I have built around other people - but have provided well more then enough adequate passage to get by.

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Orcworm wrote:The land is not zoned to anyone, thus if you want to take ownership of it and sell areas of it it's up to you to manage it.

I do not have to manage that which I do not rent. I am selling. No strings attached.

Do not double post, read the forum rules.

Then How in fact do you sell something that is not yours?

Pat wrote:
Look, Orc owns the server.
Orc makes the rules.
When he tells you a rule, you can't just say the opposite.

This.

-A

dont double post, use the edit button please. also. tl;dr, if orc says no theres no point in argueing with him xD
edit: double post ninja
edit 2: double ninja

It's funny how you're calling the "in real life X happens" argument... Considering that if you build a stone wall on a forest, that area doesn't belong to you, and the government can kick you out whenever they want. In this case, the government is the staff team, Orc being the president and all that shit. You choose this server to play; you play by it's rules.

patrickfreed wrote:Look, Orc owns the server.
Orc makes the rules.
When he tells you a rule, you can't just say the opposite.

I was building in accordance with the rules.

Those making cities offer NO type of insurance of any kind when they are selling plots.
Why are they not getting the third degree?

Yes I know this is Orc's server of which I was and still am following rules and to which NO one has read any of my posts. Yes I know I can be banned. Yes I know I might donate and still be banned. Yes. I know all that.

I get a few key pieces of land that stand to make money and I get shit on.

Whatever.

Look I know it's locked and all but let me just get this in.

Are you the owner of the area, as in is it zoned to you? No. So it isn't yours to sell is it?

I applaud the con you got running here but if you want to get semantic with us.... well you can have it.