TL;DR, Origin is spyware that scans your hard drive and sells your personal information to third parties. This coupled with all the other shit they've done to destroy PC gaming has pretty much ensured that I either pirate all their games from now on or simply rent/buy them used for consoles. Fuck EA, fuck Origin, and fuck greedy corporations.
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I will never purchase another PC game published by Electronic Arts ever again.
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http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2011/08/24/eas-origin-eula-proves-even-more-sinister/
TL;DR, Origin is spyware that scans your hard drive and sells your personal information to third parties. This coupled with all the other shit they've done to destroy PC gaming has pretty much ensured that I either pirate all their games from now on or simply rent/buy them used for consoles. Fuck EA, fuck Origin, and fuck greedy corporations.
TL;DR, Origin is spyware that scans your hard drive and sells your personal information to third parties. This coupled with all the other shit they've done to destroy PC gaming has pretty much ensured that I either pirate all their games from now on or simply rent/buy them used for consoles. Fuck EA, fuck Origin, and fuck greedy corporations.
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In related news, MW3 server files will apparently be public. I know which game I'm buying.
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Compared to spyware and $60 dlc, my deluxe preorder Red Orchestra 2 is looking better and better..
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What the fuck do you think PUNKBUSTER or VAC do, eh?
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Fuck EA; I wait to buy games on Steam when they're at like 80% off.
I is so smrrt :F
EDIT: Yarwood, Punkbuster is the WORST cheat detection/prevention system EVER
And VAC is too unforgiving.
I is so smrrt :F
EDIT: Yarwood, Punkbuster is the WORST cheat detection/prevention system EVER
And VAC is too unforgiving.
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Yarwood wrote:What the fuck do you think PUNKBUSTER or VAC do, eh?
It goes into that in the article; VAC and PB aren't even on the same level as Origin in terms of disregarding privacy.
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i feel your pain, i bought alice madness returns, took me weeks to get it to work, in fact, i just got it to work yesterday. and i installed origin in the process, better uninstall that asap.
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sieve wrote:Compared to spyware and $60 dlc, my deluxe preorder Red Orchestra 2 is looking better and better..
>deluxe
You can't be serious.
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The things I do for hats, KF skins and beta access
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I HATE YOUsieve wrote:hats
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The_Music_Man wrote:Fuck EA; I wait to buy games on Steam when they're at like 80% off.
I is so smrrt :F
Sure, buy BF3 from Steam. It's the same shit as buying it from EA themselves. You're going to have Origin on your system which will be a piece of shit; And by buying the game, you are accepting the Terms of Service, which will state that Origin will be used on your computer.
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Punkbuster is terrible, and so is VAC. Vac has never been good; Neither has punkbuster.
EDIT: Oh, and they both run in the background even after you've closed down the game, or even Steam for that matter. They're constantly recording data. How do you think these shitty Hack Detection developers try to catch the hackers? >_>.
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Implying the game will ever release on steamThe_Music_Man wrote:Fuck EA; I wait to buy games on Steam when they're at like 80% off.
I is so smrrt :F
Haters gonna hateOrcworm wrote:sieve wrote:Compared to spyware and $60 dlc, my deluxe preorder Red Orchestra 2 is looking better and better..
>deluxe
You can't be serious.
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Dead space 3
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1. day pirateDeathsplat wrote:Dead space 3
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That just ruined Sims for me
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NeroTheDarklord wrote: That just ruined Sims for me
you should be fine, only new releases require origin as far as I know
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implying there are no new expansions coming out for the Sims 3... its a moneycow for EA anyways.sieve wrote:NeroTheDarklord wrote: That just ruined Sims for me
you should be fine, only new releases require origin as far as I know
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This whole thread is fail
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Yarwood wrote:This whole thread is fail
*Cough* So was Medal of Honor
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Says the EA whore who is in the Alpha...Yarwood wrote:This whole thread is fail
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sieve wrote:Yarwood wrote:What the fuck do you think PUNKBUSTER or VAC do, eh?
It goes into that in the article; VAC and PB aren't even on the same level as Origin in terms of disregarding privacy.
Are you kidding?
Both, do exactly this:
you are giving EA permission to “collect, use, store and transmit technical and related information that identifies your computer, operating system, Application usage (including but not limited to successful installation and/or removal), software, software usage and peripheral hardware.”
Even the Steam client itself does that.
Did you know any website can also see what OS, browser, etc, you have, and most will resell that too.
Did you know google saves what you search? Then they use it to advertise it to you..
Which is basically this;
And then even more creepily, they say they intend to take such information, combine it with personal information about you, and use it to advertise directly to you.
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battlefield 3 looks so good though.
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google only uses the stuff you give it, plus you can change your privacy settings fairly easily so it doesn't record your history. If you are opposed to PB or VAC, you don't have to install them for almost any game with a singleplayer component. Plus since those are anti cheat systems, they have to scan your harddrive in order to verify that you aren't using cheating software. Origin is a distribution service, you need to submit to these harddrive scans even for singleplayer games. And once again, Valve is the only one who sees your info from Steam, info that is ONLY RELATED TO VALVE GAMES. EA not only scans your hard drive for EVERYTHING, but it sells your info to unnamed third parties.
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Where exactly does it say it sells your info the third parties?
And no, Steam collect all your hardware details & OS, and not only use them for their own Hardware Survey Stats, they pass them to third-party companys too.
And no, Steam collect all your hardware details & OS, and not only use them for their own Hardware Survey Stats, they pass them to third-party companys too.
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Yes.. except Steam's hardware survey is entirely optional and they do not sell your info to third parties
Anything else?
suits wrote:EA may also use this information combined with personal information for marketing purposes and to improve our products and services. We may also share that data with our third party service providers
article wrote:But there’s a significant difference. Valve’s policy is self-restricted to anything on your PC directly relating to its own products. EA’s is so broad that it gives the publisher permission to scan your entire hard drive, and report back absolutely anything you may have installed, and indeed when you may use it, and then pass that information on the third parties.
Steam Privacy Policy wrote:Valve will not share personally identifiable information with any third party unless the user agrees to such disclosure in advance.
Anything else?
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*Personally identifiable information is classed as "Name, IP Address, Date of Birth, Email Address" etc.
Considering EA is actually the publisher of EVERYTHING on Origin, this statement is a fuck up.
You can find similar snippets of agreements in almost every major games' EULAs, even the Call of Duty series..
Straight from Valves Policy:
The most interesting part of this is;
"In some situations, personally identifiable information you input in connection with Steam may be made available to other users of Steam."
There's so many other companys that monitor what you do and DO resell it.
"EA’s is so broad that it gives the publisher permission"
Considering EA is actually the publisher of EVERYTHING on Origin, this statement is a fuck up.
You can find similar snippets of agreements in almost every major games' EULAs, even the Call of Duty series..
Straight from Valves Policy:
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By using Valve's online sites and products, users agree that Valve may collect aggregate information, individual information, and personally identifiable information, as defined below. Valve may share aggregate information and individual information with other parties. Valve shall not share personally identifiable information with other parties, except as described in the policy below.
"Aggregate information" is information that describes the habits, usage patterns, and demographics of users as a group but does not describe or reveal the identity of any particular user.
"Individual information" is information about a user that is presented in a form distinguishable from information relating to other users but not in a form that personally identifies any user or enables the recipient to communicate directly with any user unless agreed to by the user in advance of such communication. This information may be used to improve Valve's products and online sites, for internal marketing studies, or simply to collect demographic information about Valve's users.
Valve may use customer contact information provided by users to send information about Valve, including news about product updates, contests, events, and other promotional materials, but only if the users agree to receive such communications. Except in the cases described below, Valve will not share personally identifiable information with any third party unless the user agrees to such disclosure in advance. "Personally identifiable information" consists of a user's name, email address, physical address, or other data about the user that enables the recipient to personally identify the user. While Valve collects personally identifiable information on a voluntary basis, for certain products and online sites, Valve's collection of personally identifiable information may be a requirement for access to the product or site. Personally identifiable information will be processed and stored by Valve in databases situated in the United States. Valve may allow third parties performing services under contract with Valve to access stored information but such access shall only be to the extent necessary to provide those services. In those instances, the third party will be bound by the terms of this privacy policy. In some situations, personally identifiable information you input in connection with Steam may be made available to other users of Steam. For example, during registration of Steam, Valve collects a user's email address and nickname, and at the user's option, first and last name. Some of this information is searchable and available to other users within Steam. Valve has no obligation to keep the privacy of personally identifiable information that a user makes available to other users via Steam or other Valve software, such as in multiplayer or other public functions.
Personally identifiable information protected under this privacy policy and collected from users may be done in conjunction with associates under agreement with Valve. If an associate of Valve is collecting such personally identifiable information within one of our products or online sites, Valve will make users aware of this at the time the information is gathered. For example, product registration data for Half-Life is collected by Sierra Entertainment. If a user does not want to provide this information, the user may choose to opt out of providing this information. Additionally, if providing the information is a requirement of usage, the user may decline to use that particular service or product. When possible, Valve will make a reasonable effort to direct users to the privacy polices of these associates. Valve's privacy policy does not extend to associates of Valve.
Furthermore, external websites and companies with links to and from Valve's online sites and products may collect personal information about users. Valve's privacy policy does not extend to these external websites and companies. Please refer directly to these companies and websites regarding their privacy policies.
The most interesting part of this is;
"In some situations, personally identifiable information you input in connection with Steam may be made available to other users of Steam."
There's so many other companys that monitor what you do and DO resell it.
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Yarwood wrote:Personally identifiable information protected under this privacy policy and collected from users may be done in conjunction with associates under agreement with Valve. If an associate of Valve is collecting such personally identifiable information within one of our products or online sites, Valve will make users aware of this at the time the information is gathered. For example, product registration data for Half-Life is collected by Sierra Entertainment. If a user does not want to provide this information, the user may choose to opt out of providing this information. Additionally, if providing the information is a requirement of usage, the user may decline to use that particular service or product. When possible, Valve will make a reasonable effort to direct users to the privacy polices of these associates.
At the end of the day, Valve not only tells you when your information (information which, I will say again, only relates to games) is being sent to other parties and tells you what information that is, and also gives you an opportunity to decline sending that information. Just by downloading Origin, you surrender your privacy to EA and it's partners and give them the right to send ANYTHING on your harddrive to whoever they see fit to release.
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