opinions on restart?

i want opinions on restarting the server and starting anew. im not asking for it i just want to see what opinions are on it.

nice choice of 3rd answer, pete.

The server does NOT need to be reset i find this to be such a strange question. have you ever sen a server blank EVERYTHING ans start anew? because i have not. maybe blanking everything EXCEPT spawn should be a little bit less mind boggling but still no need. the server has PLENTY of room. question for you, why do YOU think it needs a reset?

Yea the server only restarts for lag and plug-ins

We JUST restarted the map...

All we need is a faster Bukkit, and when we get Nether, then we have a WHOLE NEW DIMENSION to play in. Patience my friend .

battlekid wrote:We JUST restarted the map...

All we need is a faster Bukkit, and when we get Nether, then we have a WHOLE NEW DIMENSION to play in. Patience my friend .

yea, didnt the server start up late december, so like 2 months, do you think the server should restart very 2 months, mind as well play solo....

I'd go for a restart, I really think the point of the game is to keep building and shit, and I'd like to see lapis and new trees and shit. OTOH, 2 months is too soon, but maybe every 3 months. Also, spawn is screwed up.

I want a restart because the world has become too.. Used. I mean, have you ever walked around outside the spawn? Theres houses that have been griefed to hell everywhere. I could go on and on why but im not because typing from an ipod sucks.

How bout making a big glass cube town in the nether - no wood allowed.

PetePorty wrote:I'd go for a restart, I really think the point of the game is to keep building and shit, and I'd like to see lapis and new trees and shit. OTOH, 2 months is too soon, but maybe every 3 months. Also, spawn is screwed up.

i think if anything, spawn is amazing as is, i think it will be annoying to build just to know that in three months or wehever the next reset is your masterpiece will be gone. also what about the people that payed for there protected land (real money) i think if those people (i am not one of them) were to get a zoned place it would be a little bit less anoyying, but i have logged probably upwards of 30 hours on this server and i feel that for it all to disappeare would be annoying, how about we ask around to see what other servers do before actually planning on how and when we are gonna do this, if we do. i think i agree with the fact that all of the houses are being abandoned, and i dont know this, but i assume there is a way to rollback everyone that has been banned (so that none of there stuff is there) i htink this would be a greater way to "clean up the server" and for the spawn i think the spawn is NOT screwed up, and if it is i assume an admin wuld be up for fixing spawn.... i htink this would be WAY better than restarting...

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also what about the people that payed for there protected land (real money) i think if those people (i am not one of them) were to get a zoned place it would be a little bit less annoying, but i have logged probably upwards of 30 hours on this server and i feel that for it all to disappeare would be annoying.

30 hrs,comon, wheres the devotion, put some heart in to it.

And to tell you the truth I wouldn't care if I lost my zoning even though I payed cash as that isn't the reason I donated.

But I have been on the borders of the map and there is still prime territory out there. I found three different wood textures. So there is still plenty of room to build and tons of resources.

Right now, the server feels really old and abandoned. The developed towns that were once constructed with great effort and care, are now only spots on the map compared to other, bigger towns. The ever-shrinking wilderness is not really "wild" anymore with new buildings and towns scattering the landscape, and people resort to the efficient but space ruining method of strip-mining caused by the cave systems themselves being depleted of non-renewable resources. All of those factors leads to one conclusion: the server needs a fresh canvas. A new map would be beneficial the community because it would take away the abandoned towns, put wild back in wilderness, and restock the caves full of the resources we all need to function.

Towns that were constructed long ago are empty and unused. It's hard to tell the difference between an abandoned town and a busy town, since the blocks don't degrade or change in a meaningful way when left alone for a period of time. But you can tell if it's active or abandoned based on how many people are currently working on the town. Towns only have a few people building or using them, at MOST. They buy plots of land to build what they want to build. They construct houses or stores, and then they forget about them. Left alone, no longer being developed. A FINISHED product. People want to build things. Building is what keeps the server active. It becomes old and inactive when there is a finished product. Once whatever they were building is finished, they leave it alone and find something else to do in another location. This leads to the second point: The wilderness is no longer wild anymore.

There are houses, castles, sheds, and anything you could probably think of in close proximity to one-another. This close proximity is what killed the wilderness. It's no longer wild because you can go from place to place easily, and without much worry. The amount of people that have contributed to the server at least once is staggering. Even the members list on the forum is quite large for one minecraft server. 370 registered users. But where will they all build? Look at the [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] to see what I mean. Most of these buildings are made out of some form of non-renewable materials. But where do they get the resources? They have to go into caves to get the building materials they require.

There is great difficulty in finding cave systems that have not been previously explored. There are torches everywhere, and resources are slim pickings now-a-days. This causes people to use a more destructive method of mining called "Strip-Mining". Strip Mining is destructive because people dig in lines going in one direction in either 2 or 3 squares high, and go on in one direction for a really long time. What's happening now, is that these mines are starting to inter-connect with each other. What does this mean? It means the non-renewable resources are getting harder and harder to find, and we have to keep digging. This can not go on forever. We need something to solve the problem now.

What everyone needs now, is a fresh map. One with the same borders as the old one. A new canvas to build our creations without worrying about the clutter of the old. A wilderness that is again vast and terrifying. Another set of caves, full of the resources required to build new creations. The server would feel new again. Wouldn't it be great to have that feeling again?

Kinda sounds like our planet lol

we need a new one

also i found your house onlyme, very impressive

mtbers wrote:also i found your house onlyme, very impressive

Edit button.


About my house, I know it's impressive. But it's finished. There's nothing to add on to it. The difficulty to find specific resources has now become arbitrary.

hmmm never noticed the edit button, cheers

if you want im sure i can bribe some noobs with the promise of diamonds to unfinish it for you ;D

So you can rebuild it... yes?, no?, was just a suggestion.


I know what you mean though. i kinda finished my place and am now looking to find a place to build my next place. But as lac6jh said this server has only been up a short amount of time and there are those who would be incredibly upset if the server was wiped clean.

But battle was saying that we might be getting netherworld sometime soon and that adds a whole new dimension to mine in.

mtbers wrote:hmmm never noticed the edit button, cheers

if you want im sure i can bribe some noobs with the promise of diamonds to unfinish it for you ;D

So you can rebuild it... yes?, no?, was just a suggestion.


I know what you mean though. i kinda finished my place and am now looking to find a place to build my next place. But as lac6jh said this server has only been up a short amount of time and there are those who would be incredibly upset if the server was wiped clean.

But battle was saying that we might be getting netherworld sometime soon and that adds a whole new dimension to mine in.

I'd be happy if I could build another one. I have different design ideas that I could go with, and different requirements that I need to meet. I just can't be arsed to make yet another house on the current map because of the quality of my work.


There's also the banned users to take into account. They've got buildings up, but are no longer using them. Those who've had their buildings for a while will probably be angry, but there would be a larger, more resource abundant world to build in.

Netherworld is what, 5 kinds of blocks? Sand, glowstone, netherrack, lava... is that it?

Yup, that's it. And only Zombje Pigmen and Ghasts for company.

yeah so i guess at the moment were building a ban list which is useful.

once the players got over the fact they lost all they had worked for they might then realize that if they start another grand design that in about 3 or more months it will be wiped again. Alot of those players will probably just go to another server or play single player? I guess a free build server will have this problem of excess abandoned buildings.

Truthfully i like the idea of a fresh restart, but things like MAJOR cities could be copied to the new map? heres an idea if you want something to be saved inbetween maps in should be in a certain area like stockade or orcshire and you can go out into the willderness knowing that what you are building will be lost when the server map resets. it might make it more social with everyone having a place in a main city. only problem would be the constant fuss of having to change the zones in the citys. Although every one would have to know that the server does reset, and in order to buy a plot in the city it would have to be more than the default amount of gil when you first login in to the map so that only those who actually stay and play for a while can buy a place, that would prevent lots of houses in the cites with no players.


Suggestions?

mtbers wrote:in order to buy a plot in the city it would have to be more than the default amount of gil when you first login in to the map so that only those who actually stay and play for a while can buy a place, that would prevent lots of houses in the cites with no players.

Solid recommendation, my man. SOLID.

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See that map? See how much space is still free? There is absolutely no reason to reset the map at this point. And when we come at the point that the current map is full (or completely empty of resources) we could, I don't know, extend the map borders instead of wiping everything.

how do you define "that point" when the maps 'too full'.
And when that point does comes you cant just continually extend the borders of the map. That is just a short term fix and you will still have all the crap that players built along time ago and that nobody cares about anymore.

Maybe some MCEdit'ing on the Nether map would be a good thing? Could add a few 'surprises' to keep it interesting past the standard singleplayer experience.

well, i posted on this buxton forums a question of if they had ever restarted. (i did not ask them because they are "better" i ask them because they have a larger flow of people each day which would end in many more abandoned buildings...

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Orcworm wrote:Maybe some MCEdit'ing on the Nether map would be a good thing? Could add a few 'surprises' to keep it interesting past the standard singleplayer experience.

What would this entail? Isn't there a way we can change what mobs drop? I'd say we should make zombie pig men drop gold, and ghasts drop diamonds

The valuable stuff down their is lightstone which is pretty common anyway. People are gonna get bored of the Nether pretty quick, need to make it worth going to, and living in.

There's this:
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I was thinking ore pockets, treasure etc.

Sounds interesting

Perhaps make lapis only available in the nether? Not an amazing resource, but anything that will make the Nether appeal to players, would be good.

I had to vote no to a full reset. I'm not a fast builder so I haven't finished anything but have put enough time and effort(as much as I can) into my current place. I would hate to see it go poof. Also Buxville has an inner circle and outer circle. The inner circle is permanent and the outer gets reset/deleted like once a month.

Number255 wrote:I had to vote no to a full reset. I'm not a fast builder so I haven't finished anything but have put enough time and effort(as much as I can) into my current place. I would hate to see it go poof. Also Buxville has an inner circle and outer circle. The inner circle is permanent and the outer gets reset/deleted like once a month.

how about this being a privlidge for donators, not getting THERE STUFF/AREA wiped every few months...

mabey not a full reset, but the inner/outer circle sounds like it could work.

We seriously don't need a reset, it wont happen. There's plenty of untouched land, and we only have to expland the borders when we run out of room.

Though I DO agree that we need the nether ASAP.

I need my slow sand/bloodstone/glowstone/'shrooms/ghasts/zombie pigmen/LAVA!