Harassment Policy 2 ~Tenzo_c~

Hey,I was looking at magicmaker2oo2's thread on the harassment policy of the orc server, which i also had some problems with, in the past and wanna talk about it, So please Bear with me (aka read all of it).

I wanted to bring up the Log Lizardman posted (Today at 7:54) of Monsta and sonic conversing over the tp allowance, which was:

: 6XXsonicXX6: /msg mon are u aollwed to tp me to athore
: MonstaBoi: /msg 6xx for legitamate reasons, yeah. like if they say
: 6XXsonicXX6: /msg mon can u tp me to magicmaker2oo2
: MonstaBoi: /msg 6xx sure does he want u to?
: 6XXsonicXX6: /msg mon i want to surprise him and drop iron at him
: MonstaBoi: /tphere 6xx

Well.. this Is Obviously a Set up. How? Because Monsta & sonic, I'm 110%, sure know if they were caught griefing and using tp to do so, that the Admins would be able to check the logs (to see if there was an intent on griefing)to see whether they were discussing about it, even if it is in msg. So they prob set up the the permission log for the tp then griefed accordingly.
In addition, Vespasian stated "They seem to pick on guests who don't know when they're breaking the rules, or how to report it" So by Sonic picking an Guest to grief or harass, who doesnt know how to report it, he can get away with it. And by MonstaBoi tp'ing him with a Set Up chat log to make it look like he didnt intend on tp'ing to grief, he could get away with it too. Simples.
Furthermore, I have more evidence. In the Log Lizardman posted, sonic says hes gonna "surprise him and drop iron at him", ? Is there any Evidence of iron being dropped? BUt GRief. Also Look at the language used in the Log. I've had some trouble with Monsta in da past 2 days and KnoW he does not use the word "legitamate", its obviously a set up, not to be caught. especially wen he says "sure does he want u to?", & the language is awfully weird because aren't those 2 friends? & the "athore" spelt wrong by sonic which is meant to be "other" is on purposely (impossible to spell other tht wrong) to make it look like a normal convo and not a set up.
Also look how quick the convo is, and the time frame of each msg, they sent (on the real log). Monsta doesnt give sonic any warnings or anything, or leave himself enough time to think whether to tp him or not.
And another thing is why would sonic wanna be tp'd to magicmaker in the first place?? to drop iron -.-.. really (great excuse). as again, is ther any evidence of that happened? but grief. & Look at the overall convo of the Log, and you'll know its fake and a set up. Monsta did have an intention of wrongdoing (to tp and help a griefer) and set up the permission asking, to make it look like he didnt.

Now I know this is all based on assumptions, but there is good valid evidence. & in terms of reliability: I do and study Psychology, so look at things more in depth. & Also studied Law too.
Concluding my investigation, I think Monsta got away with it & this server would be a better place for all users if Monsta and Sonic wasnt in it. Thank you.
~Tenzo_c

3 things to say.

1- I completely agree with everything you said.
2- 6XXsonicXX6 was banned already.
3- "I want to surprise him and drop iron at him" is NOT a legitimate reason to teleport someone to someone else without both giving consent.

Riiiiiiiiiiiight. This is all assuming that Monsta and Sonic have the... creativity to set up something like this. And seeing at their behavior both in and out of game I seriously doubt this to be true.

As for valid evidence: I see none. The only thing I see is a chat log of which the interpretation is taken to Dan Brown-levels of bullshittery. If your gonna make a ban request, which is basically what this is, try to spice it up next time.

Also for your psychology/law knack consider the following: How does it look to others when some, lets be honest, random guy suddenly announces his credentials assuming it backs up his statements. Does a figure such as this immediately gain the trust of everyone around him?

going under the assumption 6xxsonicxx6 was friends with magicmaker, i tp'd him to magicmaker because i thought it was a legit reason to be there. also, i dont grief, dont you think i would know better considering ive been on this server for a couple months now? also, ive seen what happens to griefers around here.
EDIT
stop trying to get me banned, you have nothing on me.

While Monsta was working with Sonic in terms of spawnkilling guests, I agree with Filler and doubt that either of them are smart enough to try to deceive the mods by not revealing their real purpose in /msgs. Especially Sonic, he was so incoherent and random that it is impossible to imagine him planning even a rudimentary deception.

The real issue here is that people should NOT under any circumstances TP either themselves or other people to anyone without permission given on all sides. Monstaboi has tped himself to myself and other members on the server dozens of times in one day alone, despite being repeatedly told to stop. Clearly there has to be more enforcement of this rule if the unwanted TPs are to stop.

@filler.

ok, First of all I'm not "saying" anybodys "creative", as it is not. i'm using evidence that you haven't seen.

Secondly, I don't believe in coincidence. Coincidence is the word we use when we can't see the levers and pulleys. & coincidence is a way of remaining anonymous and therefore is logical. And this not as complex as dan brown levels, its actually pretty obvious, if you can't see it, then thats you.. Because Nothing happens unless someone wills it to happen.

also im not gna answer ur last question but say this. I'm the one actually sticking up for the ppl tht have been griefed, and trying to get Justice. Isnt that what this server wants? and all the mods, admins and orc want too. I would say read back at my post, analyse what i'm saying and re-consider your views.

@Monsta
I'm not trying to get you banned.. It's because your getting away with it, so you "Should" be.
You know what you did, in your assist to help sonic grief.. (and also ur last post doesnt sound convincing, in addition to my assumptions) you know you did.

@ vespasian, but this the thing.. you Dont have to be that smart to set up an msg decieving the mods..especially as theyve been playing and foruming long enough to know how to catch griefers and the admin's capabilities of looking into logs. Also those two do everything together as magic said. Also what you said about them picking on guests who do not know how to report, which is a key factor, but also doesnt need a level of smartness.. I would say look back at the investigation, its all pointed out.

You studied psychology, yet you use grammar such as this? Credentials=Bull Shit.

Most schools (I assume he's in high school) make Psych and Law standard. I myself took 3 years of psyche (AP in high school + I took 2 semesters of it thus far in college) and 1 year of Law.

It's nothing impressive, nor does it establish credentials. :/

Getting off topic.

On topic: it is purely speculative. I only ban people when I have tangible evidence. Here, there is no real proof in support of your theory.

@Rulyon..Im on the internet -.- i always rite rubbishly on da net. thank you.

Ok Lizard but all I'm saying that it is obvious, and there is proof "outlined in my first post". Anyways I gave you lot the invoice, but its up 2 you. If you wanna base your decision on coincidences, the coincidence that sonic was tp'd to another players house and griefed. The coincidence that he was tp'd (by Monsta) to magicmaker's house without having magic's consent, leading to grief.
The Iron Surprise thing is obviously part of the set up to allow monsta to tp him there, without magics consent. I could easily say to some1 in msg, "tp me to hviigars house bcuz I wana surprise him with redstones". (and not get hviigars consent). OH WAIt.. No I cant, its because those 2 are friends and set it up. And as again.. Is there any evidence of iron being dropped? But grief. Did any1 ever investigate that? (look to see whether he actually did that).

But fine, but if Monsta got away with tping some1 to grief, Then Sonic should be unbanned. Because if Monsta didn’t tp him.. He wouldnt have griefed.
& If 6XXsonicXX6 is reading this I will suggest you confess what you two did, because its not fair only you get the ban.

@Liz:Psyh and Law are not High School courses down here. >.>

Though I DID take Psychology and Socialogy classes for dual High-School / College credit during the summer semesters. But that was my own initiative.

@Tenzo: You say you're providing "proof". But you're not. You're providing speculation based on what YOU WANT TO HAVE HAPPENED. Until we see some CONCRETE PROOF that Monstaboi knew what Sonic was going to do, a ban is completely un-enforceable.

Um... I'm not unbanning sonic. He griefed and didn't WANT to be unbanned, so that's a done deal.

As for Monsta, he did nothing that can be proven wrong. If he and sonic were in cohorts, sonic must be a real idiot for allowing himself to get banned.

@Rulyon - btw I live in england so are education system is different. & also (no caps plz btw), its not what i "want" to have happened -.- Its what it looks like and probably is. Fine there is no Concrete proof, but if i was in a higher power, I'm pretty sure I would make the right decision. because you lot aren't seeing what i am. And you said you did psychology and Law too..

@Lizardman
I'm pretty sure sonic wants to be unbanned.. He just said he didn't out of anger.
Thats why i said, if he's reading this (I know him and Monsta were in it because i see evidence) To step up.
Anyways it's up to you guys. I would suggest to read my statements again carefully. But I've said what I have to say, And Justice is not Served.
meh.
~Tenzo_c

We have a different function in justice here, Tenzo. We HAVE to have concrete evidence. What you have amounts to a really good gut intuition.

It just doesn't fly for evidence.

Thats why I asked if someone can check sonics video's, log, block log or something.. if he actually dropped iron for magicmaker.

& also lets wait for orc to come on and see his verdict on this too. bcuz every1s stickin up for Monsta and not thinkin about magic, or help follow the rules.

is any1 gna check the history whether he dropped Iron or Not?

A) There are no logs for dropping items. That would be silly.

B) Ruly and I are "sticking up for Monsta" because there is absolutely nothing showing he had ill intent.

C) Making "the right decision" based on a hunch is why you are not on our staff (as well as a plethora of other reasons; I was simply making my point).

D) You break rules (double post) and question our competency? Really?

If he had ill intent, we would have found it in the logs. Don't questions us when you have no idea what you are talking about.

I Meant a video log of whether he dropped iron or not.. also its not based on a hunch -.- i just see things more in depth and this isnt fair on sonic, aswell as magic. ok i'm not part of your staff..thats kl. Never asked to be, but if i was, the player in question would be gone time ago, or atleast warned.
Also I'm not questioning you.. you say I dont have concrete evidence..I tryna give you concrete evidence. I'm trying to Help you and this server!

You offered your opinion of a theory. That's fine. Whining about the "injustice" based on nothing more than a "feeling" doesn't help us do our job. We've looked into it and found nothing incriminating against Monsta. Hell, he's nicer than me in that he doesn't charge people for tp'ng them somewhere. We appreciate help, but not to the extent of baseless claims.

He DID drop some iron, for the record. And i absolutley had no ill intent with that tp.

So no Video log then? anyways nvm. You prob dont wanna ban him because he's a well known member in this institute, & bcuz he's rebuilding frost side and part of the council etc.. So he's basically protected. meh. I'm Done.

and w/e monsta.

theres nothing to ban me for in the first place. me bieng well known wont let me get away for breaking rules, bro.

I ban any and everyone guilty of griefing in any manner (unless it's so miniscule that it could have been an accident). Monsta being a prominent member has nothing to do with me not banning him. I do not use prejudice in any manner when issuing a ban.

my point which i made in my last statement ^ xD

Restated in MY last statement.

I constantly tp RandomGuest123 to XxXxiMaNoObxXxX420 every day (usually for personal profit). It's not uncommon for donators+ to use their abilities to help the less fortunate, be it for in/extrinsic reasons.

We've banned members of Admin for breaking the rules. Being "prominent" in the server is no protection. However, one thing he kept requesting is sticking out to me... Video logs. The Hell? How are we supposed to have video logs of other player's activities? The only video logger I'm aware of records your own screen. The only "video log" we could have had of the situation was if one of the three involved parties were running a video recorder at the times in question.

tbh, you guys do what you want. I'm not gona debate any longer.

.. but hopefully sonic steps up, so justice can be served.

Yeah...we're total abusers for not banning someone who has no incriminating evidence other than tp'ng someone when they asked (that's obv ban worthy [/sarcasm]).

Totalitariansim, anyone? !:3

I was just tryna help... -.- anyways I'm Done.

We appreciate you doing your part, and I do admit the circumstance does sound fishy. But we just CAN'T ban someone without evidence based on what amounts to a really good speculative hunch. To do so would be power abuse. There are enough accusations of such thrown around, some legitimate coughPureCraftcough some not, without us adding another legitimate reason into the mix.

Conclusion:

Well, seeing as how you were biased to begin with (due to Monsta killing you in your home. Dick move, but still legal), we took your theory with a grain of salt. Hell, I double checked chat and command logs and still found nothing incriminating. I suggest you deal with your grudge against Monsta elsewhere as conjuring up baseless accusations is not the way to go.

Issue resolved.

Dat LOCKED