Regarding the donator compass

I am not a donator myself but i am curious about the rules regarding the donator compass.Is one say.... allowed to use it to creep up on players,thus gaining a huge advantage in pvp?Hypotetical situation: Donator dude compasses to the top of a very high building and uses it as a watchtower.Spots a newbie chopping a tree.Compasses untill he is like 10 blocks or so away from him ,then resumes normal walking only to stab the aforementioned nab in the buttocks.Is this legal?
Before i get flamed ,no i do not intend to become a donator in the near future,i am just curious.

Allowed to gain a huge advantage with Compass in PvP- No
About the second one- I wouldn't know.

Not really, but if you have a complaint to make against a user abusing compass, we can quite easily find out if they are guilty

But I thought logs cant know if you use compass only the commands itself?

Compass = /thru and /goto

Which are shown in the logs AFAIK, unless we have some strange newbs who type /thru and /goto for the fun of it..

Not at all. It pisses me off when donators take advantage of the compass in PVP and say, "I didn't know I wasn't allowed to compass to him and HIT him."

Listen, I'll explain what I do when using the compass. I've been told that it's perfectly legal because I'm not using it to get closer to a person.

If I'm PVPing, I either compass up to the top of the Creeper Statue in East Spawn, or the top of spawn period.

If I see someone in the distance, I will compass down and start running. When I'm running, I'm always waiting for chunks to load making using the compass useless... so if I use it, I'll be bobbing up and down on invisible chunks, waiting for them to load.

So, I'll run to the guy and eff him up.

What I've been told is illegal is using your compass to get close to someone in order to kill them, or using it to get inside something in order to get to them.

You can use your compass to run away, and it is perfectly legal. Say someone is chasing you after a big brutal fight and you've only got 3 hearts left, you have every right to use your compass to go up on a tower to taunt your enemy and run away.

I do have a question for any administrative person lurking this topic, though: Say you accidentally compass up out of a mine (using /goto with left click on a ceiling to get out) and you appear right in front of someone... if they acknowledge you and turn around after running past you to come attack you... do you have the right to fight him, regardless of the situation?

Yes you didn't use it yo get closer knowingly unles you saw there name

Fun faxs this one has.

Should you accidentally come across somebody using compass (as you said, compassing out of a mine) and they attack you first, then you have every right to attack back, as after-all they have acknowledged you and are taking action.

/goto? i thought it was /jumpto?

It is /jumpto - my mistake.

Compass within 10 blocks and attack? No.
Compass within 10 chunks, run to them, and attack. Yes.

Compassing to someone and killing them is akin to a TP kill.

i think there needs to be a topic containing all the rules of bieng a donator, i can start on it or somebody else can, then we could probably get orcworm to see what he approves of or dissaproves of on the list.

Monstaboi wrote:i think there needs to be a topic containing all the rules of bieng a donator, i can start on it or somebody else can, then we could probably get orcworm to see what he approves of or dissaproves of on the list.

I agree, it would be easier to have a set of rules as per the use of the donator abilities.
For example, when we get MagicCarpet back, is it legal to fly over them, and then land behind them and kill them?

-A

No.

It is power abuse to use Donator Privileges to gain an unfair advantage in PVP. The only use that is not forbidden is using /compass to get AWAY from PVP because it does not bring harm to one's opponent or cause them to lose items in their inventory.

I've seen loads of donators use it to charge users just like you said. I also have found if you get a few attacks on a donator some will use it to escape which seems like a massive PVP advantage to me.

Lets face it, donators ruin a lot of features for regular members.

I will be the first to use my compass to get away, if I am not out to pvp.
In the event I am out looking for pvp, I play fair. No fun otherwise.

made the rules, fillerb locked it within the minute of posting it xD

Geez some admins/mods love their lock ability.

Filler says 'All this can be summed up under the age old "You may not abuse your commands'

Well it's all good and well saying that, but so many donators do abuse their commands, so Monsta made a simple post to gauge what people felt about it. And what happens - Locked.

It's locked because:

A) We already have rules on this.
B) It was in the wrong subforum. (Should have been suggestions)

Now what you people seem to be unable to comprehend. We DO ban for command abuse. If we catch someone abusing and/or if we have proof that they were abusing their commands then they can expect:

A) A strong warning (if the offense was minor)
B) Demotion (if it was a second offense)
C) Ban (if it was gross abuse of commands)

You bitch and whine and bitch and whine, but do you actually report instances of abuse? Not to me at least and I have serious doubts you do it at all. We can't mindread here people and none of us is going to scroll through the logs if we don't know what we are looking for.

A) We already have rules on this.
It looks like he was suggesting some additional clarity and new ones. What's wrong with making a post about it?

B) It was in the wrong subforum. (Should have been suggestions)
I may be wrong but you should have a ability to move posts before locking it.

You also didn't say anything about A or B when you locked it, you just gave a separate reason which wasn't very helpful.

What is there to clarify? If your smart/old enough to donate money then you are smart/old enough to reason for yourself what abuse might mean.
And why would I move the topic when there is nothing to discuss?

It's not about smart or old. There is a large grey area which some members want cleared up. I don't know what you're so afraid of.

I assume you are a donator, but I assure you there is something to discuss, since many dontators push the barrier of acceptable and not acceptable.

I agree on this. We all know wee's "Peter Pan" incident and the constant "tp kill" accusations.

It does need discussing amongst donators so there is no "loopholes" in the rules set.

Does using the command/compass give you an unfair advantage in PvP or does it give you access to an area you can normally not get to without griefing? Then it's abuse hence punishable.

As you are apparently all knowing Cagu. Explain to me where the "grey" area in the above is?

It does need discussing amongst donators so there is no "loopholes" in the rules set.
Well put.

As you are apparently all knowing Cagu. Explain to me where the "grey" area in the above is?
Sadly I'm not all knowing. That's why I called you out here to explain your reason for locking the thread since you didn't provide much of a reason.

Anyway, lets start with your definition 'Does using the command/compass give you an unfair advantage in PvP'. So you're saying that escaping with your compass is abuse since its an unfair advantage at pvp. Yet clearly users do it all the time.

Is escaping with a compass fundamentally different then using commands like /spawn or /home, both which are accessible by guests? No. Hence no abuse of command since a guest who has just joined the server can do something which has the exact same effect.

Ok, do you see this is more clarity than before? Either way it's not the same effect. One is just a click away, the other takes longer to type. Secondly a command teleports you miles away, where as a compass can save you a lot of time - maybe this is a good way to encourage donators, I'm not knocking it.

I'm too busy right now to explore every grey detail Filler. But don't try and talk down to me when I called you out for locking a post that didn't need locking and not providing a decent reason why.

Filler are you honestly expecting people to follow the rules of common sense? I thought you knew better.

Also, I don't see the harm in monsta's topic, although to some it may seem pointless

Oh you are shitting me right? I gave a reason and there are no grey areas in the rules. If using the command gives you an advantage a guest does not have then it's abuse of command. I could list every single instance in which this could possibly apply but I had at least the HOPE that donators could think for themselves.

This has been repeated a thousand times already and I am getting fucking sick of people trying to argue the interpretation of a rule that can only be interpreted in one way.

Chill out, you're making me out to be something I'm not. By giving your reason and locking the thread you're saying 'here is what I think and the rest of you can fuck yourselves'. Read my second reply:


'Filler says 'All this can be summed up under the age old "You may not abuse your commands'

Well it's all good and well saying that, but so many donators do abuse their commands, so Monsta made a simple post to gauge what people felt about it. And what happens - Locked.'

I'm just pointing out its not that simple and trying to silence users doesn't solve anything, mkay?

Then REPORT them. Give a time and date of their abuse. Make screenshots. Send PMs! Once again: we can't mindread you people. Shouting "TP KILL!" in-game solves nothing since half the time either the killed is blind as a bat or the supposed "tp" is caused by lag.

...Did you even read my post? I'm just wasting my time now.

There will be clarifications added to the Server Rules post. Filler, if people ASK for it, and want it enough to make the post (admittedly, yes in the wrong sub-forum) then it can't hurt to have it spelled out for them. Yes, we can "hope" they have the common sense enough to figure it out. But "hoping" accomplishes NOTHING. If it's spelled out for them in the rules then they won't have any excuse to say "Oh, derp, I didn't know that was abuse." I'll tend to it and update the rules post.

When I'm good and ready and feel like it.

^ Exactly.

We HAVE perfectly good rules on the use of donator-gimmicks. There is thus no need to discuss it. What we do NOT have is a good way to actually ENFORCE it. Making new rules and clarifications is utter horsecock if YOU people refuse to REPORT offenders. THAT is the problem here. And THIS whole "discussion" has been had at least TWICE. So excuuuuuuuuuuuuse me if I get a little tired of having to explain it YET again.

IS your CAPS lock BROKEN?

It's called emphasis. I find it to be less obtrusive and more clear then simply bolding.

This discussion has been near-constant since I started. Once I update the rules, any person who posts about it here can simply be referred to the rules and the thread locked. Makes things easier for us.

Filler's right, guys. We can't address any instances of donator abuse that isn't reported and document. Don't just whine about it, file a complaint in the proper forum with the date and time it occured.